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	<title>Comments on: Religion versus Spirituality part 2: How to reconcile commitment and scepticism&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one more reason about why to belong to an organization. To be committed to an organization we feel is good for humanity is a form of service. An organization cannot exist without people, and usually, without some kind of an organization that spiritual tradition gets out of reach.
Also, when new people are beginning to explore a spiritual tradition, it is useful for them to find people with certain understanding. New people may benefit a lot having good examples around, having others to share their questions, their searching...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one more reason about why to belong to an organization. To be committed to an organization we feel is good for humanity is a form of service. An organization cannot exist without people, and usually, without some kind of an organization that spiritual tradition gets out of reach.<br />
Also, when new people are beginning to explore a spiritual tradition, it is useful for them to find people with certain understanding. New people may benefit a lot having good examples around, having others to share their questions, their searching&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: katinkaspiritual</title>
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		<dc:creator>katinkaspiritual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh - and for those readers that don't get theosophical abbreviations: TS = Theosophical Society.
&lt;a href="http://www.katinkahesselink.net/faq/tm_faq.htm#es" rel="nofollow"&gt;ES = Esoteric Section of the Theosophical Society&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh - and for those readers that don&#8217;t get theosophical abbreviations: TS = Theosophical Society.<br />
<a href="http://www.katinkahesselink.net/faq/tm_faq.htm#es" rel="nofollow">ES = Esoteric Section of the Theosophical Society</a></p>
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		<title>By: katinkaspiritual</title>
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		<dc:creator>katinkaspiritual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually did not quite mean that people should stick to one spiritual tradition exclusively. I just meant that the other extreme isn't going to work either. There's an advantage to working in an organisation. There's learning and growing together. There's the potential for emotional support of a kind based on more than superficial acquaintance. One learns more if one commits. I learned things doing dishes, that I would not have learned if I had just sat in a lecture hall. The same goes for working in the gardens at Naarden. 

People tell me things anyhow, but there are things people have told me about their spiritual paths and their interpretations of life that they certainly would not have told me if I hadn't made my miles, so to speak. [Is that an English expression?]

Theosophy certainly offers more depth than some of the new age alternatives out there ('the secret' comes to mind - again). Does theosophy offer enough dept - I don't know. I'm certainly contemplating dipping into other pools myself - Gelugpa Tibetan Buddhism seems closest to theosophy on several scores (though it's not gender neutral - I recently learned, which just might be a deal breaker for me). I'm pretty sure, for instance, that for learning meditation theosophy isn't the place to stick to - at least exclusively. 

Also - in my opinion the TS is strongest when its members take that second object seriously and actually actively seek out other traditions as well. Perhaps not more than one extra traditions per member to keep that depth thing going? [Let's not put that in any guidebooks though - such rules may work for the ES, but not the TS. And I'm not even sure it works for the ES.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually did not quite mean that people should stick to one spiritual tradition exclusively. I just meant that the other extreme isn&#8217;t going to work either. There&#8217;s an advantage to working in an organisation. There&#8217;s learning and growing together. There&#8217;s the potential for emotional support of a kind based on more than superficial acquaintance. One learns more if one commits. I learned things doing dishes, that I would not have learned if I had just sat in a lecture hall. The same goes for working in the gardens at Naarden. </p>
<p>People tell me things anyhow, but there are things people have told me about their spiritual paths and their interpretations of life that they certainly would not have told me if I hadn&#8217;t made my miles, so to speak. [Is that an English expression?]</p>
<p>Theosophy certainly offers more depth than some of the new age alternatives out there (&#8217;the secret&#8217; comes to mind - again). Does theosophy offer enough dept - I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m certainly contemplating dipping into other pools myself - Gelugpa Tibetan Buddhism seems closest to theosophy on several scores (though it&#8217;s not gender neutral - I recently learned, which just might be a deal breaker for me). I&#8217;m pretty sure, for instance, that for learning meditation theosophy isn&#8217;t the place to stick to - at least exclusively. </p>
<p>Also - in my opinion the TS is strongest when its members take that second object seriously and actually actively seek out other traditions as well. Perhaps not more than one extra traditions per member to keep that depth thing going? [Let's not put that in any guidebooks though - such rules may work for the ES, but not the TS. And I'm not even sure it works for the ES.]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katinka,

Another good point.   A number of years ago I had the opportunity to ask Ken Wilber about this very point, the tendency  towards spiritual dilettantism and how to navigate the overabundance of choices.  He basically said "Just pick one and stick with it."  Others have invoked the metaphor of using all your time and energy digging dozens of wells that never hit water, rather than just going deep enough in one spot.

And just today I came across this from the Hagakure: "It is bad when one thing becomes two. One should not look for anything else in the Way of the Samurai. It is the same for anything that is called a Way. If one understands things in this manner, he should be able to hear about all ways and be more and more in accord with his own."

We're in agreement that an amorphous 'spirituality' might well be resistant to such depth.

The question then is can theosophy offer this depth?  Does a syncretic tradition that encourages a comparative study of all the world's religions, philosophies, sciences and arts fall prey to the same pitfalls as new age-ism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katinka,</p>
<p>Another good point.   A number of years ago I had the opportunity to ask Ken Wilber about this very point, the tendency  towards spiritual dilettantism and how to navigate the overabundance of choices.  He basically said &#8220;Just pick one and stick with it.&#8221;  Others have invoked the metaphor of using all your time and energy digging dozens of wells that never hit water, rather than just going deep enough in one spot.</p>
<p>And just today I came across this from the Hagakure: &#8220;It is bad when one thing becomes two. One should not look for anything else in the Way of the Samurai. It is the same for anything that is called a Way. If one understands things in this manner, he should be able to hear about all ways and be more and more in accord with his own.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in agreement that an amorphous &#8217;spirituality&#8217; might well be resistant to such depth.</p>
<p>The question then is can theosophy offer this depth?  Does a syncretic tradition that encourages a comparative study of all the world&#8217;s religions, philosophies, sciences and arts fall prey to the same pitfalls as new age-ism?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Nosce te ipsum” - Know thyself :-)</description>
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